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2026 Neuheit: Tomorrowland Kooperation/Attraktion (17,5 Mio. €, ersetzt Wasserskishow) @ Holiday Park

Peppy

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Naja, das ist halt aber auch zu kurz gedacht, natürlich kann ein Park nicht nur auf die Enthusiasten Community hören (sonst würden überall wohl nur die größten und schnellsten Bahnen stehen).

Aber die Community spielt heutzutage eine größere Rolle denn je. Weil jedes geteilte Tiktok oder Instagram-Video ist kostenlose Werbung. Außerdem würde ich mal erwarten, dass Personen mit Herzblut eher dazu geneigt sind ein Review auf Google, Youtube, TripAdvisor o.ä. zu hinterlassen. Von den ganzen Bewertungen auf verschiedenen Databases die auftauchen wenn man nach dem Park und einer neuen Attraktion googlet ganz zu schweigen. Beliebte Attraktionen sorgen eben in den Medien für Traktion, die man heutzutage einfach nicht vernachlässigen darf.

Und wenn man sich lieblos irgendein 0815-Teil mit geringer Kapazität in den schlecht gewarteten Park stellt, wird das eben im Internet verewigt und stimmt vermutlich auch den ein oder anderen "Ottonormalgast" um, vielleicht doch die 50km mehr zu nächsten Park zu fahren.
Ja ok, da hab ich mich etwas falsch ausgedrückt. Wir spielen keine große Rolle in deren Planung. Natürlich wird auf Feedback etc.der Influencer schon geachtet. Aber wir sind nicht der Mittelpunkt derer Planungen und Entscheidungen.
Denn wenn dem so wäre, hätte man Bandit im MP schon längst von RMC oder GCI komplett geretracked / erneuert. Laut Umfragen der Parkbesucher ist die Bahn aber immer noch super beliebt. 😉
 

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I hope you're right. It would have been so nice if CEO of plopsa only said that the new one would have been different without adding "and better", because it's the people who decide which of the two will be better, not you. As I said I hate extremely intense rides, so for me it won't be better if so. But if you say that's gonna be better from the beginning, most of the enthusiasts would pass the opportunuty of going to plopsaland for trying rth because they think "I have to do a lot of kilometers when I have something better in a better and more convenient park", missing the chance of riding One of the most insane coasters in the world, that deserved to be tried at least once. As I said, a friend of mine thought exactly the same. He said me (without having ridden rth) that once the new one will open, he would be no longer interested in rth. It would be "a loss of time and money". Understand where I'm coming from? Rth will be treated in this way by a lot of enthusiasts in a couple of years, even if I think that the new one, for many reasons, won't be better at all because rth is already perfect for me and already too much for many people. And it's the idea itself of wanting to make something "better" that sucks for me. It's like they're saying that they WANT to undermine rth. they should be proud of their masterpiece and should have treated it like a little jewel. Instead of taking it and throwing it in the bin.
It sounds like you have a full-blown identity crisis paired with a large dose of fear of loss that you're projecting onto a rollercoaster. If a friend's statement about no longer wanting to ride Ride to Happiness as soon as the ride in Holiday Park opens upsets you so much, then I'm seriously worried about your mental health. It seems as if you are not mentally stable enough to be able to stand above this statement. Above all, your very vivid and emotionally charged choice of words leaves me with the impression that there is a very desperate person at the other end, of whom one could assume that there is nothing more important in this world for this person than that RTH retains its place at the top of the ranking for the best rollercoaster in the world. One thing is clear: Nobody is going to take anything away from you or the community, nor will anything change the status of RTH as an extremely good roller coaster once the iteration is in Holiday Park. Roller coaster enthusiasts in particular will probably still be able to recognise and appreciate the significance of the ride years from now, when the standard amusement park visitor will already be on to the next "big thing".

Since you refer to RTH itself as a work of art: there are some works in the world of art whose iterations all have the same theme and/or motif (e.g. Monet's water lilies), yet are different from each other and at the same time have a high status among art connoisseurs, without the first version losing any of its importance.

So take a deep breath and relax. The world will continue to turn.
 

ariiii

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It sounds like you have a full-blown identity crisis paired with a large dose of fear of loss that you're projecting onto a rollercoaster. If a friend's statement about no longer wanting to ride Ride to Happiness as soon as the ride in Holiday Park opens upsets you so much, then I'm seriously worried about your mental health. It seems as if you are not mentally stable enough to be able to stand above this statement. Above all, your very vivid and emotionally charged choice of words leaves me with the impression that there is a very desperate person at the other end, of whom one could assume that there is nothing more important in this world for this person than that RTH retains its place at the top of the ranking for the best rollercoaster in the world. One thing is clear: Nobody is going to take anything away from you or the community, nor will anything change the status of RTH as an extremely good roller coaster once the iteration is in Holiday Park. Roller coaster enthusiasts in particular will probably still be able to recognise and appreciate the significance of the ride years from now, when the standard amusement park visitor will already be on to the next "big thing".

Since you refer to RTH itself as a work of art: there are some works in the world of art whose iterations all have the same theme and/or motif (e.g. Monet's water lilies), yet are different from each other and at the same time have a high status among art connoisseurs, without the first version losing any of its importance.

So take a deep breath and relax. The world will continue to turn.
I hated this project since it was announced in 2022, and at the time we only knew that was a Tomorrowland themed ride, nothing more, and I still hated it, because it doesn't make any sense copying such a unique theme. When it was announced to be a Extreme spinner the anger got even worse, and even more when they said that will be "better". I don't think I'm mad or anything for thinking that with this choice they are devaluating rth. I knew that on this website nobody would have agreed with me because you're all excited about the new ride, but I can assure you that on Instagram and TikTok there are some people who share my opinion. I don't think plopsa realised that they built a masterpiece, and the only reason I could see for copying almost everything of it is because they go "safe", they know that it worked good? Well, let's copy it, without any risk of making something new but that won't have success. I'm receveing A LOT of hate for saying these things but I'm extremely sure of what I'm saying, and I don't know why you seem to not understand me, but I don't regret it. This is my opinion and won't be changed. A lot of people in the next years will come to Europe for their trips and will prefer including holiday park instead of plopsaland, especially if the new ride will be only a slightly different version.
 

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there is nothing more important in this world for this person than that RTH retains its place at the top of the ranking for the best rollercoaster in the world.
Absolutely not. I'm not saying that I don't want to see any coaster to be better than rth and that it must stay the best of them all forever. Of course it will be alright to explore more possibilities with that model, and I'm very curious to see what Mack will be capable to do. I'm all for that! But for this reason, I don't think that the way for doing something "even more extreme" is copying and pasteing the same standout elements of rth and adding some little modifications. That wouldn't add ANYTHING to the coaster community. It will be a slightly modified and maybe slightly better version, without any originality and creativity in making new elements instead of copying them. If you take the rth layout and add in, for example, a couple more airtime hills or another inversion, of course it will be crazier because it has more elements. So this would cause double damage: building something not unique because it's copied and at the same time undermining an icon like rth. With completely different layouts, you let the people decide which coaster they like more without deciding from the beginning that the new one will be better. I want rth to stay something special, because it really deserves to be recognised by people as something really special. And this is also referred to the theme: it will be copied aswell. And that's a thing that doesn't make any sense.
 

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I am pretty sure that everybody gets your point, as you state the same thing over and over again. You came here to provoke with an uncommon opinion as you said above. You got a lot of answer of others explaining why they have a different opinion of the described situation. That’s what you intended and now you imply missunderstanding and hate against you. That is not how a discussion works in this community!

More over you are talking about a fictional problem, since nobody knows how the new attraction will look in detail and how much of RTH will be copied.

So please stop spamming the same arguments over and over again as long as there is not more information available as that‘s a thing that doesn‘t make any sense.
 

ariiii

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, without the first version losing any of its importance.
The last thing I want to say is, if they say that the new version will be better (and they don't have ANY right to say so, let the people decide!), enthusiasts will pass the opportunuty of riding it. I don't think that and european enthusiast who rode rth would go to Silver dollar city (another park in the middle of nowhere) for trying time traveler, when they already did something better. Let's not take into account that, at least for me, the new one WON'T be better at all, but for all the enthusiasts who ear the words "it will be better" by the CEO, of course they will only give importance to the new one. And I don't think I'm saying something out of this world. Tell me WHY shouldn't it go this way.
 

ariiii

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. That’s what you intended and now you imply missunderstanding and hate against you. That is not how a discussion works in this community!
It's not easy being in a minority of people who think a certain way. With the word "hate" I'm referring to the people who say I'm mad or crazy or these things, they don't have ANY right to say that, because I'm not a robot I'm a person who's writing here, and you don't know anything about me and my life. I'm not referring to people who don't share my opinion, because I know you all have the opposite opinion. I tried to be the most gentle possible knowing that nobody would have agreed. About the answers I received, well they didn't move my opinion by a tiny bit. And we will retalk when the layout will be revealed, let's see if I was right or not about being just a copy with some slight modifications.
 

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Von mir aus können die das Layout 1 zu 1 kopieren und wir hätten eine weitere geile Achterbahn in Deutschland. :D Ich verstehe auch nicht warum man jetzt hier so lange in Dauerschleife über ein Layout diskutieren muss, was noch nicht einmal released wurde. Ich denke wir kennen jetzt alle die Meinung von ariii, das ist auch in Ordnung das jeder unterschiedliche Meinungen hat, aber ich denke da muss man nicht andauernd von Vorne anfangen und das Forum zuspamen ✌️
 

ariiii

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Von mir aus können die das Layout 1 zu 1 kopieren und wir hätten eine weitere geile Achterbahn in Deutschland. :D Ich verstehe auch nicht warum man jetzt hier so lange in Dauerschleife über ein Layout diskutieren muss, was noch nicht einmal released wurde. Ich denke wir kennen jetzt alle die Meinung von ariii, das ist auch in Ordnung das jeder unterschiedliche Meinungen hat, aber ich denke da muss man nicht andauernd von Vorne anfangen und das Forum zuspamen ✌️
I feel like "spamming" the same opinion in this forum because it seems like people don't entirely get my point of view...like, if people keep answering me "but the general public is 99,9% of the audience so won't change anything", they're not getting what I mean and I'm forced to repeat it using different words. One time for all, I couldn't care less of general public. But I won't say anything anymore because everything I say is stupid. OK.
 

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I feel like "spamming" the same opinion in this forum because it seems like people don't entirely get my point of view...like, if people keep answering me "but the general public is 99,9% of the audience so won't change anything", they're not getting what I mean and I'm forced to repeat it using different words. One time for all, I couldn't care less of general public. But I won't say anything anymore because everything I say is stupid. OK.

A very patronising and disrespectful attitude towards people with a different opinion to yours. I think most people here can relate to your perspective in some way (apart from me, I find it whiny and over-dramatising) and have a different opinion at the same time. That is something you are incapable of doing. Instead, you repeat yourself like a broken record and, worse, do so deliberately to impose your view on us. I don't know the customs of Tik Tok as I don't use it. However, you are not in an echo chamber here in this forum where an algorithm only shows you perspectives that are similar or close to your own. There is still something of a culture of discussion here. You can put forward your arguments (you've done that enough now), but you also have to live with it if there are other views. If you can add something new to the debate, then fine. If not, then just accept that you have a different opinion to other people and don't just try to get on everyone else's nerves by repeating yourself. That's why I really appreciate your last sentence and can only encourage you.
 

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A very patronising and disrespectful attitude towards people with a different opinion to yours. I think most people here can relate to your perspective in some way (apart from me, I find it whiny and over-dramatising) and have a different opinion at the same time. That is something you are incapable of doing. Instead, you repeat yourself like a broken record and, worse, do so deliberately to impose your view on us. I don't know the customs of Tik Tok as I don't use it. However, you are not in an echo chamber here in this forum where an algorithm only shows you perspectives that are similar or close to your own. There is still something of a culture of discussion here. You can put forward your arguments (you've done that enough now), but you also have to live with it if there are other views. If you can add something new to the debate, then fine. If not, then just accept that you have a different opinion to other people and don't just try to get on everyone else's nerves by repeating yourself. That's why I really appreciate your last sentence and can only encourage you.
Can I ask you where I've been disrespectful? I'm not that kind of person. If I did so I'm sorry I didn't mean to do that. When a person replies, I reply to them, but if they keep saying the same thing (as I said, for example, saying "99,9% wouldn't care") I keep answering the same thing, saying that I don't care. What's disrespectful in this? I find it more disrespectful saying "I appreciate that you shout your mouth" and people that react to that comment with a laughing emoticon. The thing that I agree with you is that sometimes I'm a bit dramatic and I know that, but you don't know how much I'm sensitive to this topic and this doesn't give you the right of saying that I'm crazy or anything. I feel hurt by this affermation. If I was rude with some of you, again, I'm sorry it wasnt my intention at all. my intention is not making you agree with me, my only intention is making people understand my point of view. And by some (not all) comments here I feel like this isn't happening, so I feel the need of repeating myself.
 

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Can I ask you where I've been disrespectful? I'm not that kind of person. If I did so I'm sorry I didn't mean to do that. When a person replies, I reply to them, but if they keep saying the same thing (as I said, for example, saying "99,9% wouldn't care") I keep answering the same thing, saying that I don't care. What's disrespectful in this? I find it more disrespectful saying "I appreciate that you shout your mouth" and people that react to that comment with a laughing emoticon. The thing that I agree with you is that sometimes I'm a bit dramatic and I know that, but you don't know how much I'm sensitive to this topic and this doesn't give you the right of saying that I'm crazy or anything. I feel hurt by this affermation. If I was rude with some of you, again, I'm sorry it wasnt my intention at all. my intention is not making you agree with me, my only intention is making people understand my point of view. And by some (not all) comments here I feel like this isn't happening, so I feel the need of repeating myself.
Ich denke wir haben dir schon alle zu Genüge mitgeteilt das wir deinen Standpunkt verstanden haben und damit sollte diese Thema nun auch beendet sein. ;)
 

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@Krummbein People told me I'm crazy, an idiot, a silly, that I've an identity problem and mental problems and the disrespectful here is me? I never used such words for describing people who don't think the same as mine. My parents teached me the respect and I'm respecting, without offending anyone. And I'm yet to receive an answer about where I've been disrespectful. If you refer to repeating the same things everytime, I already explained why. Ok I did it wrong, I shouldn't have done it. I shouldn't have been so dramatic, but where's the need of directly offending me saying such things? The last thing I'll say is that writing something in this website was the most stupid thing I could have done.
 
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